Comments for Three Bears Killed- Mammoth Council Left Out of the Decision at http://news.sierrawave.net , comment 1 to 37 out of 20 comments http://news.sierrawave.net Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:24:51 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2668 Once again, a man and his greed is responsible for the ills of another animal. Bottom line this is about the cost of the property damage caused and an unwillingness to spend money to properly address the property owners problem. The Big Bad Bear is going to eat me routine is just a con to solve his problem as cheaply as possible. Remember next election the " Leadership" shown on this issue before you cast a ballot for those responsible. - Native Californian Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:52:09 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2663 To Realist: ...and how does the murder of the two suckling cubs come into play? Never in the history of California has that happened before. In a hundred years, there have only been 13 deaths by Black Bear in the USA. Your bathroom can't even claim that excellent track record; nor can your bike, car, radio (bathtub), walking through a park at night, cars and etc. times a zillion. Strange: we kill a bear with the thought they may hurt someone (though they haven't) and yet we do almost nothing, really, to people who drink and drive ... who have been proven to kill thousands of people.... weird sense of justice. Trust me... bears are being killed for almost no reason because they have no real meaning to the selfish human race. - Don Baird Mon, 21 Sep 2009 00:48:15 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2661 The area is considered a Bear Habitat... while it doesn't say "protected" habitat it is clear that the human being is the intruder. This is plain and simple. If folks don't like bears breaking in once in awhile, then MOVE! Bears were first: people second. The western mind remains that if it is in the way, a nuisance and etc., kill it. That's why there are no grizzlies in Cali even though the Grizzly Bear remains on the flag. The stupidity continues. The man, in my opinion, that asked for the bear to be killed should be asked to sell, leave and/or be tried along with dfg for murder. We have NO RIGHT to kill bears even if government explains they do. Legal right is one thing (man made)... the actual right is another. It is my feeling that at this point, the bears in mammoth need full protection from the killers and seemingly senseless people who cry about some property damage while living in a Bear Habitat. This makes me sick. That home owner makes me sick. And, the folks that killed the bears are trained trackers/killers who get paid to do it. Money for death. They should all be put on trial violating the bears rights..... oh, that's right..... they don't have any...? - Don Baird Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:49:16 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2586 We have to face the fact that we are lower on the natural food chain then these bears. - Really Realist Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:07:17 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2583 Just think of the other possible outcome. People who are against the extermination of these bears are the same people who would point the finger in outrage if these bears were to attack and kill an innocent human being. It's a lose-lose situation for the USDA. The USDA made the right decision. If these same bears were kept on the loose and eventually killed somebody, it would also be the USDA's fault. Kill bears or humans? Which option sounds more appropriate.... - Realist Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:50:17 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2581 Read this article about what happened to a Colorado women who was feeding black bears: [url]http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-bear-attack12-2009aug12,0,6964193.story[/url] The same scenario could have happened in Mammoth... - S. Sam Sat, 12 Sep 2009 05:59:00 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2577 Regarding the two cubs and the sow being killed, they were part of the problem of the many break-ins around the basin area, they have been eye witnessed inside and breaking into homes. They also were habituated toward human food, human residences, and humans, they were instructed by their mother to do so, which is all they know, a very dangerous combination when a young bear is learning his boundaries in life. Anytime well meaning humans feed bears, and when bears are allowed to associate food with humans and their residences, it is a death sentence for that bear and it's young. The property damage alone is a justification to depredate them, let alone the fact that people in those homes, or in campsites, etc were potentially at risk. Regarding Searles' bear techniques, I've seen Yosemite Park use the same exact techniques, it's even been shown on tv on the Travel Channel's profile of National Parks shown in this clip: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxmLWtkrXoI[/url] - Observer Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:59:05 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2575 Nature shows on TV are not reality. It's against the law to relocate bears in California and it doesn't work. Even the Park Service gave up on moving bears decades ago. Anything is possible on TV with the right script - its called fiction. - Ryan Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:04:19 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2564 HEY "RECON DON" A YOU A RECON MARINE? IF SO WHEN AND WHERE. - getitright Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:40:36 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2546 I remember all the nature shows I used to watch when I was a kid. They always tranquilized the wayward animal, and simply moved it to another location. Why have our agencies stopped this simple practice? Please don't say it's a cost thing. It's just a little tranquilizer in a dart, a fueled up truck, and a day of driving. You DFG & FS people drive around the wilderness and pay your employees anyway. Shooting cubs seems a bit lazy to me. - Steve Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:35:15 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2540 To Mr. Boyer: Now we know why the Mammoth cops nicknamed you "BoBo the Clown"! Semper Fi - Recon Don Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:24:46 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2537 to Mr.Boyer, Are you related to the retired cop? DO you have intimate knowledge that the rest of do not know. I think Cause and effect is right on the money. This whole thing about wildlife management is way out of control. This on and off again control system is ridiculous, I have never heard such till Mammoth. One day Searles is on the job another he's off. next year on two years off. following year on but only armed with a hat. In the end the day the only things that are damaged is Searles reputation and the bears life. We live is a crazy town with brainless public servants. - someone who knows too much Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:50:21 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2535 To Cause and Effect, Why don't YOU write the book you suggested? Sell it as fiction. - Jon Boyer Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:01:16 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2532 To Mr. Denton We are up in arms because this town cares about it's wildlife and has gone through great measure to implement policy. To constantly be set up for failure by certain individuals. Either we give up or create a sustainable policy that will last decades. We don't need certain folks creating a feeding trough in their backyards. We don't need someone preventing Hazing techniques because they crossed some boundary. Wee need truth and cooperation amongst parties. Otherwise we should let the wildlife be as it is , The public as it is and then kill of the bad bears as they start killing people. - someone who knows too much Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:18:14 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2530 I totally agree with Cause and effect.Your points are right on the money. As far as the law and that lady who was feeding the bears go, I read that the State of Ca. already has a law against feeding Wild animals I think it carries a hefty fine and maybe Jail. So I really don't see what the issue is. The police had the right to pass on this ladies land. She can go to the big farm in the sky if she wants. On a second note. To Ms. O'Connor You have been instrumental in keeping bear issue a top priority. I was not aware that it was your deck that a bear was living under. I had heard that a bear had been living under a home or deck for three seasons in a row. Maybe this was not you. To the person who that was this was a bad thing. It might be cute but it obviously is not good for the bear. I read those DFG links that someone posted here. Those were great info. It Seems that DFG allows it's personnel to use the same Hazing and deterrents that Steve uses,rubber bullets, and stuff. If it's good for them why is it so bad for Steve. This town need to get real, Stop the bickering and get the job done. Signed SWKTM - someone who knows too much Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:53:49 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2524 Im not sure why everbody is so worked up about this. These bears are not rare and when they interfer with humans, they must be killed. In June lake when bears come into town, F&G does there job and kills them without having to call the puzzle palace. Thats what they do. F&G does not need a podunk town concil to tell them how to do there job! Good job guys... - Danny Denton Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:53:39 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2520 To Cause and Effect. It is obvious that the Township of Mammoth Lakes and it's city council /government, has failed to live up to the standards set up in it MOU with The Resources Agency, and has in essence breached its contractual agreement, making the MOU null and void. You do as you say, or you don't do, and lose the MOU. Typical of the town of Mammoth, along the lines of selling illegal development rights alongside an airport and then the town getting sued $30 million for development rights they could not provide, superceded by FAA regulations. FAIL! Again and again and again. - Well Done Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:00:21 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2518 I totally agree with Cause and effect.Your points are right on the money. As far as the law and that lady who was feeding the bears go, I read that the State of Ca. already has a law against feeding Wild animals I think it carries a hefty fine and maybe Jail. So I really don't see what the issue is. The police had the right to pass on this ladies land. She can go to the big farm in the sky if she wants. On a second note. To Ms. O'Connor You have been instrumental in keeping bear issue a top priority. I was not aware that it was your deck that a bear was living under. I had heard that a bear had been living under a home or deck for three seasons in a row. Maybe this was not you. To the person who that was this was a bad thing. It might be cute but it obviously is not good for the bear. I read those DFG links that someone posted here. Those were great info. It Seems that DFG allows it's personnel to use the same Hazing and deterrents that Steve uses,rubber bullets, and stuff. If it's good for them why is it so bad for Steve. This town need to get real, Stop the bickering and get the job done. Signed SWKTM - someone who knows too much Tue, 08 Sep 2009 10:12:57 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2517 The Big Question is: How many bears have the USFS, DFG and USDA killed in the Town of Mammoth Lakes in the last 30 days???? There are bears missing from Shady Rest. - THE BIG QUESTION Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:45:47 +0100 http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-news/2477-three-bears-killed-mammoth-council-left-out-of-the-decision#comment-2512 Re: "No effort to keep quiet" BULL. - Jon Boyer Tue, 08 Sep 2009 03:47:20 +0100